we talked about the fiscal cliff. today we have cliff noran, $154 billion in assets under management. and as joe was saying during the break, we have a little bit of a drinking game. every time we mention fiscal cliff. a lot of viewers are kind of drunk by thousand. >> i'll toast with them. >> are you up in boston? >> springfield, mass. mostly bonds. we specialize in corporate bonds, real estate. >> so what are you doing about the fiscal cliff? >> we think it's actually a good thing because it's addressing something in our country that's gotten out of control. step back the last five years, september 2007, we crossed $9 trillion in debt. thousand we're at $16.2 trillion to $16.3 trillion four years later. five years later. deficits of 1.25 trillion for the last five years. so we have a problem in our country that really needs to be resolved. we've become addicted to stimulus really through deficit spending, through 0% interest rates. >> how are you investing around this? >> we're comfortable investing in corporate bon